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June 14, 2018 at 09:53 AM EDT

“Obviously, my first question is, what, what, what is this? And my follow-up is, why is this?” Stephen Colbert asked of former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci and Stormy Daniels’ attorney Michael Avenatti.

The pair appeared on The Late Show Wednesday night to discuss a wide range of topics, from President Trump to Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen (currently under investigation for his part in the Daniels lawsuit) to their reported talk show — all of this over some glasses of rosé Colbert brought out.

Some see “The Mooch” and Avenatti as shameless opportunists, claims that haven’t subsided since The New York Times reported these two were shopping around a Morning Joe-style talk show to TV networks. Colbert asked them about that, to which the duo played it off.

“I don’t have a lot of rules in my life, but one of the rules is I never do a show with a guy whose first name is ‘The,'” Avenatti said of The Mooch. Scaramucci added he thought themselves to be the male version of Thelma and Louise. “This administration is certainly driving the country off a cliff right now,” Colbert joked.

The Late Show host then noted the pair’s “schtick” and pressed them further. “What is this?” he asked. “Do you debate the issues? How do you even know each other?” Turns out they have “a mutual friend” who’s not Trump or Daniels.

Avenatti got applause from the audience when they all started talking Trump. Regarding the president’s claim that he has the power to pardon himself over the Russian collusion investigation, he said, “There’s no question in my mind that he would pardon himself because this guy is one of the biggest narcissists you’ve ever seen in your entire life.”

Meanwhile, Colbert leaned in on Scaramucci to try and get him to admit the Trump White House lied about the Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and a Russian lawyer. It didn’t work, but at least he tried.

Watch clips of Scaramucci and Avenatti’s appearance above.

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