If a show about an important subject matter isn’t good, should people still watch it?

That’s the debate at the center of the Bingeworthy clip above, as both hosts discuss the upcoming ABC event series, When We Rise, which chronicles the different wins and losses in the LGBTQ community’s fight for civil rights in America.

“The movement is important to you and I,” says Touré, “but that doesn’t mean we have to like this show about the movement which does not tell the story in a gripping, interesting way.”

In response, Jessica Shaw brings up the miniseries’ subject matter: “How do you reconcile that feeling with knowing how big and deeply important it is that this show is airing not on cable, [but] on ABC. It’s an important moment in television.”

But for her co-host, it was still a matter of telling an entertaining story. “The show is important because of the subject matter,” acknowledges Touré. “But it must be good as art. And if it is not good as art, then fewer people will watch it.”

When We Rise premieres Monday, Feb. 27 at 9 p.m. ET on ABC. Watch this full episode of Bingeworthy, available now, on the People/Entertainment Weekly Network (PEN) at, or download the PEN app on Apple TV, Roku Players, Amazon Fire TV, Xumo, Chromecast, iOS, and Android devices.

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