All in With Chris Hayes

Echoing her thoughts on the state of the U.S. prior to the election, Susan Sarandon made an appearance on MSNBC’s All in with Chris Hayes, and again found a silver lining in the chaos, saying that “what we have now is a populace that is awake.”

Sarandon made similar comments during a November appearance on CNN, saying, “The good news, if you want some good news, is that everybody’s so frustrated that at least we’re awake,” and continued the thought during her interview with Hayes.

“I absolutely feel that analyzing and spending time and energy talking about blaming people or who made mistakes or what should have happened is really wasting your time and energy, because what we have now is a populace that is awake,” she said. “This has been going on for a long time. So now he’s clumsy and so bad at putting things through, that everybody’s awake, and saying, ‘Oh my God, what’s happening to the EPA?'”

Sarandon, who voted for Jill Stein but was a vocal Bernie Sanders supporter, last visited Hayes in March 2016, when she claimed that “some people feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately” should he win the election.

In the time since the interview, Trump has become president. During Wednesday’s show, Hayes revisited Sarandon’s past comments, asking if she still felt the same.

“If you’re not in touch with the status quo, you’re going to lose,” she replied. “I mean, if you’re arguing for shoring up the status quo when America’s asking for change, then you’re going to have a difficult time.”

As for the implication of an impending revolution, Sarandon insisted she was not in favor of a revolution, but rather, would have preferred a leader like Sanders.

The conversation took a heated turn when Sarandon, whose new series Feud: Bette and Joan debuts March 5 on FX, accused Hayes skimping on his responsibilities as a journalist, and failing to properly cover environmental issues such as the Dakota Access Pipeline.

“Can you look me in the eyes and say, yes, 24 days into the Trump administration, this is about what I expected it to be?” Hayes asked.

“What is the point of even saying that?” Sarandon shot back. “Can you look me in the eyes and tell me you were doing your job to cover those issues completely?…You just told me you didn’t really cover DAPL. Are you covering now all of these explosions that just happened? Because that’s what we need you to do. We don’t need to have a conversation about my imagination about where Trump was going to be.”

As the conversation cooled, Sarandon ended the interview on a lighter note. “This guy is so fumbling that he’s giving a real lesson in how things work or don’t work,” she said. “So that’s our opportunity, as Leonard Cohen said, ‘The cracks are where the light is.’ So now we have to be the light.”

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