By Eric Renner Brown
Updated April 17, 2015 at 09:27 PM EDT
Credit: Noam Galai/WireImage

Shia LaBeouf appeared yesterday at the New York City’s SVA Theater as part of the Tribeca Film Festival. He was there to discuss the documentary he’s currently executive producing, Love True. But the attendees of the event, which Deadline reports was only half-full, got a healthy helping of candor from the actor, who touched on his work in a recent Sia music video and the Transformers franchise.

“It’s performance gymnastics, it’s dance movies,” LaBeouf said of the Sia video. “It’s like Scarface. Al Pacino’s acting—nothing against him, but there’s a big difference between something that’s presentational and something that’s representational. I think even Pacino would agree that his work is representational, whereas someone like Joaquin Phoenix is presentational.”

LaBeouf also took aim at the Transformers franchise, which he starred in from 2007 to 2011. “Bumblebee never sounds real. It’s just a f—ing name,” he said. “When you work with certain directors who give over and do something that’s presentational and you both believe it, then there is no f—ing around, and you really are in this alternate universe.”

Ultimately, LaBeouf related all his struggles to the trappings of stardom: “The requirements to being a star/celebrity are namely, you must become an enslaved body. Just flesh—a commodity, and renounce all autonomous qualities in order to identify with the general law of obedience to the course of things. The star is a byproduct of the machine age, a relic of modernist ideals.”