By Dalton Ross
Updated April 09, 2015 at 12:00 PM EDT
Credit: Robert Voets/CBS

Hali Ford thought she was safe on Survivor: Worlds Apart, which is a little weird because her side was down in numbers and was hoping that a few people would flip over to join them. But her shock was clear when Jeff Probst told her she had been voted out by the tribe. We asked Hali why she felt so comfortable when she called into Entertainment Weekly Radio (SiriusXM, channel 105) this morning and you can now hear the entire interview here on the InsideTV Podcast by clicking on the audio player below. (The Survivor discussion and Hali interview starts at the 44 minute mark.) Here are a few highlights of the conversation, which includes some harsh words for Dan over his comments to and about Shirin:

On (what she thought was) a secret alliance with Mike:

“I was in cahoots with Mike, believe it or not. We were in cahoots. I thought maybe he could swing the votes the other way for me, one more time actually because that’s what he did the first vote.”

On watching Dan talk about wanting someone to come over and slap Shirin because she annoyed him and then repeating that he was begging for someone to “slap her and shut her up already.”

“If you step on my friends and smear them then you are offending me… His comment about slapping a woman? First of all, that came out of his mouth, and if that came out of his mouth towards anyone that is reprehensible. That fact that it came out of his mouth against someone who was a victim of domestic violence takes it to another level. There’s no excuse for that.…I watched the show with Shirin last night, who was tearful, understandably, and we were all booing the screen and shouting at him and everything. That was disturbingly wrong the way that he and Rodney treated Shirin…. She was taken aback. She was rattled last night.”

On Nina saying six months later that she still feels Hali and Jenn were not nice to her and made her feel like an outsider:

“I called Nina after the first episode and we hashed some things out. It was my understanding on the beach that Nina and I had established a good rapport. I was surprised when she came out as strong at me as she did. I didn’t see that coming. I thought we worked through that…I was pretty surprised as the level of how distraught she was.”

On why Will flipped away from the No Collars:

“We asked ourselves that for a long time, I don’t know what was going on in Will’s head. The only explanation I heard on the beach was that he was glad to be playing with some grown-ups.”

On how it may have been her and not Mike that actually come up with the tribe name Merica:

“I think that I escaped shouldering much of the blame for Merica. The true origins of Merica are murky this season, and I‘m just going to leave it that way.”

Listen to the entire interview below. But before we get to Hali, we start things off with the man tasked with saving us all from the dreaded White Walkers. Kit Harrington (a.k.a. Jon Snow on Game Of Thrones) stopped by EW Radio to chat all about season 5 of Game of Thrones, which kicks off on Sunday night. How will Snow get along with Stannis? Will he hook up with another redhead in Melisandre? And what other happenings can we look forward to at the Wall? We quiz Ned Stark’s bastard son for intel and deliver it to you.

And then we sit down with a veteran of TV, film, comedies, drama, animation, basically everything—the one and only Gary Cole. The musctahed-wonder talks Office Space, Family Guy, Good Wife, and, of course, Veep, which also returns this Sunday. What can we expect to take place in the west wing under Selina Meyer? Gary Cole will tell us! (The Gary Cole interview kicks off at the 25:30 mark.)

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