By Ray Rahman
Updated January 21, 2014 at 09:13 PM EST
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It’s not often that Kanye West makes himself available to journalists these days — which is a shame, not only because he’s an amazing artist currently at the top of his game, but also because in interviews he says fun stuff like “I am the nucleus.”

Fortunately, Interview Magazine recently paired West with 12 Years a Slave director Steve McQueen, who got the rapper to talk extensively about a broad range of subjects. Their Q&A clocks in at approximately a billion words, but it’s (mostly) all very interesting stuff about both West and McQueen. For instance, here’s West and McQueen on being shut out of the Best Album category at this year’s Grammys:

And that’s just (a slightly edited) taste of the whole piece. Head over to Interview to read the full thing.

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