By Lynette Rice
September 24, 2013 at 09:04 PM EDT
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The broadcast networks may have only begun the new TV season on Monday but the race for dominance kicked off much earlier in the world of daytime talk shows.

New hosts on the The View, not to mention the revelation of those crazy secrets on The Talk, didn’t help to unseat Dr. Phil; he still remains the No. 1 talker in daytime among women 25-54, according to Nielsen results through the week of Sept. 9. Meanwhile, kudos to Michael Strahan, who’s been a great addition to Kelly and Michael. He and Ms. Ripa are currently ranked No. 2 in the key demo.

So far, though, the most interesting race is occurring between the ladies of The Talk and The View. The chatfests are neck-in-neck in the key female demographic.

Time for some more secrets to be revealed?

The Today Show II and the Today Show IIII represent hours three and four of the NBC franchise.