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October 21, 2016 at 12:54 AM EDT

Every other week, executive producer Betsy Beers goes behind the scenes of Grey’s Anatomy and How to Get Away with Murder in her podcast, Shondaland Revealed — and EW will have an exclusive first listen of the latest episode.

This week, Beers catches up with Grey’s Anatomy star Giacomo Gianniotti, who provides a behind-the-scenes look at Thursday’s episode, teases whether DeLuca will ever rekindle things with Maggie (Kelly McCreary), and reveals why he could never be a doctor in real life.

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