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Game of Thrones finale podcast debates those huge shakeups

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It’s the episode that changed everything. Following Game of Thrones‘ super-sized finale, James Hibberd and Darren Franich debate that game-changing Tower of Joy reveal, applaud Tommen’s suicidal decisiveness, wonder exactly how attracted Sansa is to Littlefinger, and mourn the loss of chronic doom-magnet Margaery. Full episode below:

MORE COVERAGE: We have Natalie Dormer on Margaery’s fate (she could have beaten Cersei, she says). There’s Lena Headey talking about Cersei’s surprise promotion and her odds against Dany (she read the scene where Cersei takes the Throne nine times, she couldn’t believe it). Here’s our conversation with Emilia Clarke where she makes some season 7 predictions. Actor Finn Jones on Ser Loras’ sad fate. There’s also a post breaking down that Tower of Joy reveal in more detail.