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Taylor Swift talks 1989, relationships, and happily ever after with Tavi Gevinson

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Taylor Swift’s transformation from country artist to bona fide pop icon has been filled with No. 1 Billboard hits, multi-platinum albums and sold-out venues. Along the way, the singer has shared wisdom of the heart with fans, and her recent sit-down with Rookie Magazine founder and editor-in-chief Tavi Gevinson for Elle‘s June Women in Music cover story is no exception.   

While only a few excerpts from the interview are available online, the full issue will be out on newsstands May 19. Here are some of the best quotes from the “Shake It Off” singer’s interview, about songwriting, heartbreak and falling in love.

Getting over an ex: “A heartbroken person is unlike any other person. Their time moves at a completely different pace than ours. It’s this mental, physical, emotional ache and feeling so conflicted. Nothing distracts you from it. Then time passes, and the more you live your life and create new habits, you get used to not having a text message every morning saying, ‘Hello, beautiful. Good morning.'”

Fairytales might be a thing for the storybooks: “And then once I fell in love, or thought I was in love, and then experienced disappointment or it just not working out a few times, I realized there’s this idea of happily ever after which in real life doesn’t happen. There’s no riding off into the sunset, because the camera always keeps rolling in real life.”

Having a best friend who’s also your significant other: I’ve never had that, so I wrote that song [‘You Are in Love’] about things that Lena [Dunham] has told me about her and Jack [Antonoff]. That’s just basically stuff she’s told me. And I think that that kind of relationship—God, it sounds like it would just be so beautiful—would also be hard.

Growing up and making choices: “I’m not going to sit there and say, ‘Oh, I wish I hadn’t had corkscrew-curly hair and worn cowboy boots and sundresses to awards shows when I was 17; I wish I hadn’t gone through that fairy-tale phase where I just wanted to wear princess dresses to awards shows every single time.’ Because I made those choices. I did that. It was part of me growing up.”

On her latest album, 1989 : “With 1989, I feel like we gave the entire metaphorical house I built a complete renovation and it made me love the house even more—but still keeping the foundation of what I’ve always been.”

To read more of the interview, head on over to Elle